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08/13/2015, 01:43:09
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08/13/2015, 06:07:05
Six if you count buyer beware . . .
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08/13/2015, 08:14:31
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Posted by: Beadiste Post Reply
08/13/2015, 09:45:00
But you nailed exactly what and why. It did inspire to learn some interesting things about agarwood, tho, so there's that, as well. Has anyone here ever encountered this type of aromatic wood bead? Checking online, the oil can be obtained for somewhere between $50 and $100. Is it nice, like incense, or does it have a stinky medicinal aroma?
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Posted by: judy Post Reply
08/13/2015, 13:13:21
Thank you Fred for pointing out the discrepencies, I learned a lot. Were these sold as prayer beads? I'm thinking that the wood beads don't have the nice patina that I would expect from old wood beads that have been handled a lot. If these are prayer beads I have a question. How long have wood beads been used as prayer beads? It just goes to show that you can sell anything if it's packaged right! Someone is laughing......
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/13/2015, 17:01:23
The two silk tassels are what you would often see on a nice old Chinese sewing basket from the early 1900's. The sewing baskets also contained Peking glass beads, glass ring "handles" and old Chinese coins. Most of you should be familiar with what I'm talking about..
EDIT: I did find a Chinese bead strand that used the tassels in a 19th century mala of carved peach pits: http://susandods.com/picturebook/index.php?gallery=PictureBook/08-09-16-2_Chinese_Carved_Wood_Mala_Beads&image=1_1.JPG
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Posted by: Beadiste Post Reply
08/13/2015, 21:34:46
But it does have similar tassels. Do you suppose these things were assembled in the 1920s-30s from old court necklace parts and tassels of the period (I thought they resembled the ones on sewing baskets, too), perhaps as something to sell to well-to-do tourists?
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
08/14/2015, 08:57:14
welcome to BCN, Anne!
however, the carved beads on the website you reference are not peach stones but Canarium Album, or so-called chinese olives. seen end-on you may notice a 3-lobed symmetry on these beads, usually still slightly visible after they have been carved...
those beads are likely later than 19th C.
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/14/2015, 13:23:18
I agree Stefany, and should have recognized this as I had some myself some 35 yrs. ago! However, unfortunately I went by the Author of the post's description- which evidently is incorrect!
Thanks, Anne
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/13/2015, 20:03:19
Auction site info I posted also has description of the necklace: "Chinese ChenXiang Prayer's Beads Necklace comprised of well strung carved round shape ChenXiang wood accented by three larger Tourmaline beads. Circled toward the center Jade Fotou followed with a double-gourd turquoise bead connecting to a golden-yellow ribbon suspending flower shaped cloisonne cartouche emblem-ed with oval shaped green jade, followed by brown and green tassels."
Forgive me if I'm overlooking or mistaken but aren't the "three larger tourmaline beads" actually Coral? I've never seen tourmaline like that, LOL!
Anne
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Posted by: redmountain Post Reply
08/14/2015, 10:22:46
there are five chinese characters and they are "che nan shiang fo chou" "che nan" is the sanskrit transliteration for 1 Lignum
2 Aquilaria agallocha Roxb (both from translation software or website
only for your reference ) shiang could be translated into incense or parfum. the mandarine shiang is pronounced "Hong" in cantonese. so the cantonese pronunciation Hongkong is shiang gang in mandarine which literally means the "incense port" fo means buddha and chou bead
so fo chou is prayer beads. Frederick II did a good interpreter job on this strand R.M.
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/13/2015, 18:08:11
Found the original Auction listing by reverse image search. Interesting to read their description of the items...:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/34880270_important-chenxiang-beads-in-filigree-box
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Posted by: nharlow42 Post Reply
08/13/2015, 18:22:02
Did you notice that the starting bid was set at $1,000 and the estimate of value was $2,000 to $3,000? Also, there was no mention of age or provenance other than "Chinese." It is, however, said to be agarwood (Chen-Xiang).
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08/13/2015, 18:32:13
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08/13/2015, 20:06:36
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08/13/2015, 20:54:34
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/13/2015, 20:37:34
Susan Claire Dods in the picture book blog archive "Personal Collection" has a nice discussion about the Chinese Mandarin Court Necklaces- and how they might be classified. I'd have to say the $32,500 necklace would have to be classified as a "Tribute Necklace" based on what I've seen so far as a pieced together necklace..but what do I know, lol!
http://susandods.com/picturebook/index.php?gallery=PictureBook/13-05-01_Chinese%20Mandarin%20Court%20Necklace%20Restoration%20Project-Posted
EDIT: Yes this necklace is being described as a Prayer Bead necklace- a convoluted one at that, for sure. Yes more Mala than Court Necklace, though there is an overlap historically. This lacks multiple components that would qualify it under the Court Necklace, and then some. As Frederick has so aptly pointed out there are what we'd call red flags in composition and expected form. Hope someone is able to translate the inscription! I'll try to post in Reddit and see if we can get a translation.
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
08/13/2015, 23:15:26
Fred, you will be happy to know that after I pelted you with questions about court necklaces about two years ago, I could recognize many of this piece's shortcomings! I would add, it's missing three pendant "strings' ending in drops.
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
08/14/2015, 01:14:59
In any case, the tabular bead on a Mandarin Court Necklace is normally suspended from a ribbon -not cords. Just Fred
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Posted by: AnneLFG Post Reply
08/14/2015, 04:13:37
Posted in Reddit translate and got this reply: "Agarwood buddhist prayer beads". How about that! BTW I only said label in Chinese trinket box.
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Posted by: redmountain Post Reply
08/14/2015, 10:33:44
there are five chinese characters and they are "che nan shiang fo chou"
"che nan" is the sanskrit transliteration for 1 Lignum
2 Aquilaria agallocha Roxb (both from translation software or website
only for your reference ) shiang could be translated into incense or parfum. the mandarine shiang is pronounced "Hong" in cantonese. so the cantonese pronunciation Hongkong is shiang gang in mandarine which literally means the "incense port" fo means buddha and chou bead
so fo chou is prayer beads. Frederick II did a good interpreter job on this strand R.M.
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