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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
10/13/2014, 11:16:48

These and similar ones have been popping up all over ebay lately as old Islamic beads.
I have a few questions about them.

What country are they being produced in?

Are they fantasy beads or are they based on old bead types and if so anyone have a picture of an old one.

Thanks
Wayne

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Indonesia
Re: Bead question new sold as old Islamic -- beadweyr Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/13/2014, 11:28:20

They show a clear resemblance to me to these newly made Indonesian bead. This picture was taken at the Amsterdam ethnic bead fair a few weeks ago at the table of the Beadbrothers. They import pretty much all their beads from Indonesia.
Some of these beads do copy an ancient beads or a vintage beads, other are more 'liberal' interpretations.
To me, they look like they could be inspired by this one in the left hand corner of this image on Pinterest.

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Thank you Floor
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
10/13/2014, 11:31:05



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Thanks for posting these, Wayne
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/13/2014, 19:50:43

and thanks for your analysis, Floor! I am new enough to bead collecting that it seems like beads are popping up all over now that are hard to identify, and posts like these are extremely important!



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Documenting
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/14/2014, 05:41:01

If I get the time, I will go over to the Beadbrothers sometime soon and photograph all of their recent replicas. Could be a valuable collection.



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That would be fun to see and useful I think
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Posted by: beadweyr Post Reply
10/14/2014, 08:38:43



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They are very attractive...!
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Posted by: Uwe Post Reply
10/14/2014, 05:02:42



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New copies, Kiffa Copies and Originals
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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
10/14/2014, 06:17:29

Hi Wayne, what you are showing is the latest in copies from Indonesia, I am showing the original beads and the older Kiffa copies here, Callmer did a nice pictorial on some of these types found in Viking settings

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Thank you Thomas for the info and showing some originals and kiffa copies, very cool looking
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10/14/2014, 08:50:11



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Posted by: mparis Post Reply
10/14/2014, 15:40:57

These are very cool! Thanks for sharing!



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Side by side
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/14/2014, 11:03:54

Just came in the mail from the Bead Brothers.....this copy of the Warring State bead from the Shanghai glass museum exhibit I visited earlier this year.

I don't think anyone would be fooled by this one just yet, but considering this is apparantly a first prototype of the replica......

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Perfect ancient beads...
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Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
10/14/2014, 15:23:51

Collectors often want their ancient beads to be clean and
in perfect condition. But, washing and repairing ancient beads
may be a mistake because it makes old beads look new.

The Warring States bead on the right in Floor's post
appears to be new also. But it is not a new bead.

The problem is: Inexperienced AND advanced collectors
become suspicious that excellent antique examples may
be copies when old beads have little or no patina.

Just Fred



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Re: Bead question new sold as old Islamic -- beadweyr Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: mcbead Post Reply
10/02/2015, 03:38:43

they are 100% sure iNdonesian beads, made recently.
price retail about 35 euro per strand....



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