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Posted by: Joan Post Reply
09/28/2014, 16:40:28

Jim, Jean Picard told me these are Czech lamp work. They come in other colors, red body, white, and others. That's all I know.



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Re: Jim Johnsons yellow beads -- Joan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Jim Johnson Post Reply
09/28/2014, 22:20:16

Thank you!



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Re: Jim Johnsons yellow beads -- Joan Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans0621 Post Reply
09/30/2014, 01:05:54

These are the most specific colors and designs of the Czech beads.
Love to see the sample card Floor

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Closest I could find
Re: Re: Jim Johnsons yellow beads -- hans0621 Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
09/30/2014, 10:26:36

It is tricky to get good images from sample cards. These are from the Jablonec museum, and are closest to the original beads posted, though quite different in base color.

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The original card, and some others that have some similarity
Re: Closest I could find -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
09/30/2014, 10:30:53

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Is this a related Czech bead?
Re: Re: Jim Johnsons yellow beads -- hans0621 Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/30/2014, 10:57:15

I got this with a group of lace bobbin beads - this one was the largest, about 10.5 mm diameter.

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Re: Is this a related Czech bead? -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
09/30/2014, 11:10:42

It does not look Czech to me. The size of the hole compared to the overall size seems too large for Czech beads.

Having started making lampwork beads, I found that decorating beads with crumbs or specks of glass is very common. The glass is called frit and is used for easy decoration. It comes in different sizes, and different mixes.
I think it probably has been used in most places where glass lampwork beads were made.



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Pretty sure these are Czech with one painted Prosser
Re: Re: Jim Johnsons yellow beads -- hans0621 Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/30/2014, 16:20:44

The one on the end looks like someone was trying to make a Prosser-type molded bead look like a Kiffa, or something?...maybe Floor has seen these before?

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the single bead is a Kiffa for certain!
Re: Pretty sure these are Czech with one painted Prosser -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
09/30/2014, 16:30:05



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Prosser meets Kiffa
Re: Pretty sure these are Czech with one painted Prosser -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/01/2014, 00:36:46

I am sure Thomas can tell you more, but here are some interesting examples from Stefany's collection that I was able to photograph. First picture shows, like yours, Prosser beads being used as a base for the kiffa decoration.

Second picture shows Prosser beads that have been cut. Perhaps so that they are ready for being decorated to be a Kiffa bead.

I have never seen too many kiffa beads, so I do not know how many actually use Prossers as a base bead. Would be interesting to find out.

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thanks Floor!
Re: Prosser meets Kiffa -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
10/01/2014, 00:39:59



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clarification needed please
Re: Prosser meets Kiffa -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/01/2014, 05:02:52

Dumb question - I thought the term Kiffa was used for powder glass beads - so what you are saying is that the decorated Prosser beads were made in Mauritania by the same people who make / made the ones that are all powder glass? Any idea how old the decorated Prossers are?



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let's try to clarify
Re: clarification needed please -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
10/01/2014, 06:47:27

Hi Rosanna, the Kiffa bead you show appears to have been made from 100% powder glass including the core, you may have found it with the Prosser beads but it does not belong to this group. I believe what Floor was trying to say is that the Kiffa makers have, on occasion, used European made beads as the base of their beads, rather than making a powder glass base. This practise of using European glass beads as bases or cores is not limited to Prosser beads, I have numerous examples made on Czech Uranium glass and others, I also have several very rare examples that have Venetian Rosetta beads as a core. The Mauritanian women were not decorating Prosser beads for the Prosser bead companies, they were using a readily available product to speed up their personal bead making. I hope this helps



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searching Kiffa Core
Re: let's try to clarify -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
10/01/2014, 06:52:53

I just did a search about cores and there are quite a few good examples in the link, please scroll down for all the pictures (the image shows Kiffas built on Czech glass beads)

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Related link: Looking at the old posts (click here)

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Re: let's try to clarify -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: TASART Post Reply
10/01/2014, 06:56:57

Many of the European glass cores were ground to shape by the Mauritanians before adding the powder glass designs, there are numerous examples of the iconic Kiffa triangle made on a ground Czech glass core



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Thank you!
Re: let's try to clarify -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
10/01/2014, 10:29:45

It seemed to me that this particular bead was too uniform to have been made entirely by hand, and it had dished-in depressions on either end that appeared to be just like the molding depressions on Prossers. But under the microscope, I can clearly see the edges of the fused glass particles inside the holes.

So of course you are correct - a fully powder glass Kiffa! Thanks for the beaducation on this one!



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Thanks!
Re: let's try to clarify -- TASART Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
10/01/2014, 11:24:04

That was indeed what I thought, from one of your previous posts, that European glass beads were used as a base. And that some of those were Prosser beads.

Now I want my own Kiffa bead.....



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i have a rounded kiffa built up over a cylindrical prosser bead base
Re: Pretty sure these are Czech with one painted Prosser -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
10/01/2014, 00:38:29



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And I just posted the picture of yours at eaxctly the same time!
Re: i have a rounded kiffa built up over a cylindrical prosser bead base -- Stefany Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
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