You have to wade through this to get to the peme raka discussion. But it's a blast from the past (!). JDA.

http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&cmd=iYz&aK=61907&iZz=61907&gV=0&kQz=&aO=1&iWz=0