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Hi Will - great input of yours! I did not fully understand, though: If I am not mistaken (not having your post in front of me) you said we should believe BSteinbergs assumption that (most of) this beads are of Venetian origin, while you closed with a different statement, assuming the beads weree most likely of Asian production. Did I misread you? You have certainly misunderstood my comments on the green beads with combed design, you are refering to. I very much like those - not the opposite, as you seem to say. I refered to those pieces as one pro-Indonesia argument. Such a green shade of color was not part of the Venetian glass palette. One of my "secret" sources, as you put it, is actually a seldom, but still a regular poster on this forum. One with a huge collection, wide bead knowledge and extensive ("bead"-)travels on his belt. A source I very much trust! I do not know, nor understand, why this person is not posting what he told me through an 1-hour+ conversation on Skype, the other week. He did not even stop to insist: - the beads are all Indonesian (except for the monochrome blue ones) - the beads are all new, quote: Jürgen, are you blind, they date from 2008, 2012 and might have been made this year). I never believed this beads - ANY OF THEM - were new or made any time after 1967, as the "guarantee" stated, ergo: I completely disagreed with him on the age. I repeat what I always said: The beads on this strand (minus the blue and one proven Venetian specimen) were most likely made between 1900 and 1960 to draw a very wide circle. The truth may lay in the middle of this time frame - at ca. 1930. Proof is there "not-new" patina. I cannot really say if they are Indonesian, Chinese or Japanese - due to a lack of knowledge. Actually due to the fact that I have never seen, owned or even touched any (!!) antique or old beads from China and Japan. All I said is what I am still certain about: This beads are NOT-NOT of Venetian production, except one. Should it finally turn out that two or three are Venetian, I do not feel to be proven wrong. 95+% of them are non-Venetian. I will try to push this informant to post what he told me, what he INSISTED on over and over and over again: Indonesian and new!! When even Tasart claimed a "recent" production (in Indonesia!), I begun to "wiggle" if the beads might really be 60-80+ years of age. A normal development for somebody like me, who has never - not once! - seen, touched or handled any Indonesian beads - old, antique, ancient or new. I always insisted (and still do) on Indonesia, because I trusted the actual owner-poster and also - call me naive - the "guarantee", which I believe is authentic, not fake or not trustworthy. My main argument has always been the COMPLETE absence of any Venetian feel this strand produces. I wonder, I really wonder-wonder, why the main "authority" on Venetian beads does not care to add her/his knowledge or assumption/s. Nobody, I think, can be "out fishing" for two weeks in a row. All rights reserved by Bead Collector Network and its users |
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