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Please ID: Islamic, Jatim, Indonesian replica?
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Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
09/03/2015, 05:07:30

Size: 22,5 x 21 mm

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SIGH….
Re: Please ID: Islamic, Jatim, Indonesian replica? -- nishedha Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
09/04/2015, 14:34:45


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Re: SIGH….
Re: SIGH…. -- Beadman Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Beadman Post Reply
09/04/2015, 15:17:51


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Tiny Chung Dzi?
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/04/2015, 15:23:21

While looking closely at the Bactrian beads we got from Hassan I came across this very tiny bead that to me would be a Chung Dzi. The bead is 12.5mm long 4mm in diameter. To me the stone seems to perhaps have been colored black on one end and for sure it has been etched where it is white.

I have not yet unstrung these so I cannot show the hole.

Any thoughts would be most welcome.

All my best ......... Danny

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Some glass agate copies
Re: Tiny Chung Dzi? -- lopacki Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
04/06/2015, 02:40:04

This is the Czech sample card I was referring to, from a museum in the region of Jablonec. Pre WWII.

Looks to me like they were not made to copy ancient stone beads, but agate beads coming from Idar Oberstein.

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Re: Some ancient glass agate copies
Re: Some glass agate copies -- floorkasp Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: nishedha Post Reply
04/06/2015, 03:00:07

The barrel glass bead is 20 x 7 mm. Looks like it is a rolled-pad bead, the seam can be seen clearly.
The tabular glass bead is 17,5 x 23 mm. The seal -- a rabbit and a dog, with a ladder (?) in between them -- looks like it was made with lapidary technique.

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questions 1. Roman/Phoenician?
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Posted by: Will Post Reply
10/10/2014, 13:52:46

Hi everyone,

I've been meaning for some time to post some images of a few beads that I have questions about (a few of many!). I'll try to post three of them today and would really welcome any help or comments.

The first is a pretty and rather uncommon bead I bought from Chris England several years ago. I knew even less then than I do now about beads, and Chris was very well-informed and helpful. He described this raised eye tabular bead as Roman and he's probably right. I haven't seen another like it, and now, with the little more that I know now than I did then about Mediterranean beads, I would place it a bit earlier, pre-2nd century BCE, even late Phoenician. The white glass is unusual to me, as far as this kind of bead is concerned, and so is the colour combination.

Will

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Re: questions 2. Islamic?
Re: questions 1. Roman/Phoenician? -- Will Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Will Post Reply
10/10/2014, 14:11:31

The second bead is a large glass bead that I was told was Islamic and from Central Asia. It's a large rolled-pad bead, almost 48 mm, and quite heavy (20+grams). It seems genuinely old with a lot of wear and pitted in a couple of places. It's a very pleasing, eye-catching bead. Some of the wear, though, has the little circular indentations that I associate more with ancient stone beads than with glass, and which I'm increasingly suspicious of nowadays because it's an effect that is frequently faked for the Chinese ancient stone bead market. The colour doesn't seem to be the green I'm most familiar with in Islamic beads, and the slanted ends don't seem very typical either. But if it's not Islamic (whatever that is!), where's it from?

Will

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An ancient bead
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Posted by: shinji Post Reply
07/25/2014, 01:56:24

This beautiful ancient bead is leaving from my collection.
So I'd like to share the image before it has gone.

D:2.4cm
H:2.0cm

Shinji

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It certainly is beautiful
Re: An ancient bead -- shinji Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Just Fred Post Reply
07/25/2014, 08:43:01

Hi Shinji,

It certainly is a beautiful bead. But these colors of brown and orange seem unusual to me.
What are the clues which have led you to believe that this rolled pad bead is ancient?
Is the aperture even or different in size from one side of the opening to the other?
I mean, is the hole tapered?

Frederick



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Re: It certainly is beautiful
Re: It certainly is beautiful -- Just Fred Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: shinji Post Reply
07/26/2014, 00:58:29

Hi Fred

Mosaic,Color,Wear...everything is saying "I'm an ancient bead." to me.
There's no doubt and there's no options for me in this point.

Red is not orange in fact,
I agree it's a little bit different from ancient Indian red(brown red).
But I think it's cupper red also including some other materials to make red.

The part of mosaic(surface) looks like rolled-pad,
But I'm not sure that the bead itself was made by "rolled-pad" method and I wonder if the mosaic plate may be rolled and fused on pre-made big semi translucent bead....???

The size of hole is almost same from an end to another end.

Shinji



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